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I am the marketing director for my dojo and I have been trying to figure out how to balance our membership gender-wise. Obviously, the martial arts is predominately male and my dojo is no exception. I wanted to ask the women - What got you involved in the martial arts and what kept you there?
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sat, February 28, 2004 - 9:34 PMI started with my bestfriend when I was 18 years old. We were looking for great exercise and found the most rewarding yet challenging experience of our lives. Both of us fought very hard and kept an open peaceful mind. We have yet to go back for other styles...currently the two of us are doing tribal bellydancing. -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, March 3, 2004 - 9:44 AMI started in Americanized kickboxing when I lived in SF. My gym, Granelli's, was on Folsom St. at the time and had a booth set up at the Folsom St. Fair. The people working the booth were so pleasant and inviting, I thought I would give their free lessons a try and ended up staying for 3 years. For myself, I tend to have more gym-loyalty, than style-loyalty. I want to be in a gym that feels inviting to me as a woman and I don't feel I'm getting any negative attitude for being female. My current Brazilian jiu jitsu gym is like that too. Also, giving free introductory classes is a great marketing tool! -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Thu, March 4, 2004 - 6:37 PMThank you both for your responses. A follow-up question for you. What about a gym/dojo makes you feel comfortable to stay? What are the things that commonly turn you off? -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Fri, March 5, 2004 - 6:49 AMThe one thing that turns me off the fastest is when practitioners "talk smack" about other styles. I think style-loyalty is lovely, but I also believe there's room enough in the world for all styles and all styles offer practical benefits, and I don't believe any one style is superior over the other and neither do I believe any one group of practitioners is superior over another. Love your brother (or sister, as it were)! -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Fri, March 5, 2004 - 1:47 PMI completely agree with you. I was once talking with another martial artist, and when it came up that I had studied Taekwondo for a long time, he asked me, "So how does it feel to have wasted your life on a useless martial art?"
I was speechless.
Though on the other hand, I may be guilty of the same superiority complex, though in a much more limited scope. Every time I hear someone say that they do "kickboxing", I sort of cringe until I find out if it's Billy Blanks(TM) brand "kickboxing" or not. I would feel pretty upset if someone stripped all the beauty and grace out of my style, and relabeled it as... Tae-Bo...
wait a second...
Hey!
Give me my style back!
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, August 17, 2005 - 5:30 AMWhat makes me stay? The main instructor who is happy to help me when I ask. Friendly and not feeling superior over me. SHowing me -it does it first to demostrate how it is done.
Turn offs- guys being asses. One guy had a nasty response to me cause I didn't know what the move did in a kata-he said I might as well go and learn dancing instead of this-of course I had a response. This guy was such an ass that he got into it with the school's instructor/owner that he told him if you don't like it ,leave-which he did.
another thing -show off. This black belt I was just kick sparring w/out gear-we were just throwing kicks back & forth -well ass kicked me 2 in the boobs-thats when I said enough-you should have more control if your a black belt
Anyway, ERika
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, March 1, 2006 - 11:49 AMMontium, it's important to have females in lead roles in the Dojo/Dojang. Women relate to women differently and I'd have a woman train another woman initially. There will be more of a comfort level. Also, it's important to have upbeat instructors who really have a passion for the art. As you evolved and get more and more involved in the art, you give more and more of your volunteer time and sometimes you can get burned out. These people should step down or take a break so they can always give a positive attitude.
The only negative side I have seen to martial arts is sometimes the in/out mentality. You are either part of the "family" or not. If you stop coming for a while, you are forgotten. I think a good business person would make it a point to keep in touch with its members.
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Fri, March 12, 2004 - 8:25 AMwhat art did you study megan?
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sat, March 6, 2004 - 12:19 PMIt was offered as a class at the college I went to. I had the time and money to do it (between so many credits it was all the same price - so in a way it was free).
What kept me going was the friendlyness and support I found there. Our school stressed that you leave gender at the door and treat all as equals. However we weren't uptight - we had humor. We could laugh if a technique required a face plant into my DD breasts! But even past the human there was always RESPECT.
One of the main reasons I keep going now that I have my black belt is actually to serve as a role model. I think it's important for everyone to see that it's not all about strength and having testicals! ;-) I have to focus on technique and my natural plus to get me through (I'm only 5 foot tall and hardly ANYONE can throw me... but I can throw just about anyone!).
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Tue, February 13, 2007 - 6:01 PMHello,
Look into Falun dafa....they will come to you to show you the 5 exercises.....chi gong..the most powerful teaching that has been turned loose on this planet in the last 1000 years....it will help your martial arts training....
There are three levels of martial arts training
1. Physical...
2. Chi falun dafa iron palm etc....see Iron Palm in 100 days by Lee Ying Arng...try ebay...this is the real stuff.....
3. Intent...or the ability to "spin a tyrant"....you get to the space where you can feel something ain't right and you know the direction it is coming from...you can then avoid the encounter...or if it really sneaks up on you....you look at the disturbed persons throat and make your peace with god...the person stops like they hit a brick wall...they turn around and walk away...and don't look back...this is "spinning a tyrant" a real teaching....
Competition has screwed the real meaning of the martial arts.....too many people overcompete...and get permanent injuries..and like football end up doing nothing really after 30 or so...bad knees..can't walk, move much and it actually impacts their later years negatively...I know many of these....
Kata practice in the old way was very intense....4-5 hours without a break....I did this privately with Grandmaster Dae Shik Kim in Austin, TX in '76-'77 I noticed a strange shift of awareness everyday after 2-3 hours....I now know that this was "hitting the wall" as in marathon running....and Dr. Kim would get in your face and insult you ...not letting you take over 3 breaths between katas.....I see now he was (as in native american shamanism) looking to see if you shifted into self pity (I can't go on....) or self importance....(anger, etc...) either one disqualifys you..(two expressions of the same thing)..you must be able to shift out of that dichotomy to a higher level of awareness or you weren't allowed to go on...
In the kata system used this way it is a "gateway" to higher awareness both of self and the art......
T. Texas
Someone in the 60's once told me....compete til you know how to face real fear (this was the bare knuckle any target is legal old days...I was a junior competing as a senior....open weight...in the class they were doing takedowns on a hard wood floor, no mats...really...couldn't get by with that today....) ... continue til you are winning more than you are losing and then....get out....it has served its purpose...and you get the knowledge without the permanent injuries...
T. Texas
T. Texas
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sat, March 6, 2004 - 1:42 PMHello,
I just started a new tribe called Women in the Martial Arts:
This is a tribe for women who:
1. are in the martial arts
2. have been in martial arts
3. would like to be in martial arts
4. curious about martial arts
I have choosen the category of this tribe as "cultures & community" rather than "recreation & sports" because I would like this to be a place where women can share their experiences specific to being a women in the martial arts. I also want it to be a place where we can network and build friendships. All types of martial arts and artists are welcome.
This is a moderated tribe and it's members will only be women. I want to point out that I do think a man's point of view is appreciated and can be of value, however there are almost 10 other tribes where both genders can debate and share opinions about martial arts. This tribe is for women to speak for themselves.
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Thu, March 11, 2004 - 12:55 PMI feel that the most comfortable feeling to have in a dojo is respect. All individuals should receive positive reinforcement for effort and talent as well. It is important that everyone that attends does not walk out of the door feeling defeated. I also feel that martial arts should not just be treated as a sport.
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, August 17, 2005 - 5:21 AMI'm new to this section and don't have any pics of me in my uniform or anything but I've been doing Karate for almost five years. I had to take a few breaks giving birth to 2 kids and the death of my granmother but have been working to get my black belt. I got involved because I grew up fasinated by watching some kung fu movies were women were doing all kinds of moves that were just so COOL. I thought -girls can do that? Wow-so I started when I had enough money and haven't stopped. I go because I love the idea of being able to defend myself, to be able to move in such an awesome way, the katas we learn make me feel good while doing them-its hard to explain. I think anyone who does martial arts for awhile knows it makes them(as my teacher said)comfortable in your own skin. The best part of martial arts is that no matter what form or style you choose -the main part is that you have a great instructors and a welcoming dojo. All forms and styles have a little of this form and some from this -not one is better-is what you do with it and if it makes you better spirit/person.Erika
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, August 17, 2005 - 7:02 PMOkay, someone revived an old thread, but I'll bite anyway. I took a self defense class in college as one of my HPER courses, and I really enjoyed it. So after I graduated and had been working long enough to afford to take classes, I joined the Tang Soo Do class at the recreation center on campus. What's kept me there? I really enjoy doing it. I like my teacher, I like my fellow students, I feel good coming out of class, and it feels good to know I could defend myself if I had to.
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Fri, August 19, 2005 - 4:36 PMI started at 25, for self-defense. I love it. -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sun, February 19, 2006 - 10:40 PMFor great thoughts, teaching ideas, and just a reminder of what the martial arts is really supposed to be about check out www.warriorconcepts.blogspot.com.
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Mon, February 20, 2006 - 11:34 AMSo many things! I was born with a warrior-mentality, (probably a past-life thing), so to honor that, I found that getting involved with martial arts helped me find that warrior in me, and help me understand the fighting spirit.
BUT...... the main reason why you should be ENCOURAGING WOMEN to dive into this martial art world, is simple because of this: In an assault situation, most likely, women are often the ones victimized or singled out. I hate to say it, but it is an ugly reality that women NEED to know, and they should be sick of. They need to become aware and they need to become strong. This “protection of one’s self” is not to be taken lightly. I think this is the strongest side of the martial arts. Instructors should pay close attention to female students especially, and know that martial arts isn’t just fun for them, but serious as well. It could save your life. I was an instructor myself, and that was the most important point I would try to get across. I wanted to see students get fired up when they realized that people in this world could try to hurt them. It is very disrupting to know that someone can violate you. Women have an inner instinct, and should get to know it well. I would love to see more women get involved, and fill up those classes! As people, we CAN change this world, and become smarter. You train so hard and become great, enlightening yourself along the way - hoping to never use what you have against another. I love it :) -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Tue, February 21, 2006 - 10:43 AMI'll come out of 'lurk mode' to help fill in a revived topic....
I'm quite blessed to be in a dojang where woman are easily 1/4-1/3 of the students. No matter the age. Im not sure if its that Hapkido is gender neutral-- you needn't be the strongest , nor the best kicker , nor the most brutal. Theres' soemhting for everyone to master, and you needed be teh Best at every aspect..... and our Master realises this.
I joined becuase I have a warrior mentality. I joined becuase I needed work on my survival skills. I joined becuase my son( 9 now ) and I could occassionally train together in Family classes.. and I could train with Adults in my own seperate classes. My morning class is my life line.
I stay becuase our dojang respects and elevates individuals. I stay because we can be so intense that I have to remember that Im working with Friends, and then we laugh . I stay becuase my Master recognizes that men and woman are different- and teaches woman teh occassional "different' optional move sthat seem to work better for them than for men. I stay becuase I give and get respect for my hard work , and we dont have any petty bullshit and ego trips .(anymore, and it was isolated and teh infection cut out)
I stay becuase being a Hapkidoin is what I Am , not just what I Do. Im a Martial Artist.
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sat, February 25, 2006 - 10:22 PMWith great respect for what Ninnian and Luminara commented on, I think a reason Women should be attracted to the martial arts (and a point u can emphasize on during consultations) is that of the Warrior Spirit. Females the same as males can learn so much more than how to fight from the martial arts. Self confidence, Perserverance, Inner as well as Outer Strength, Indominable Spirit, The art of overcoming Adversity, and list goes on and on. Not only can women learn to defend themselves (which is greatly important) But they learn to beleive in themselves, they see that in a world and society that loves to put limitations on them we are all in truth limitless.
For Great thoughts, Teaching Ideas, or just a reminder on what the martial arts are really about. check out warriorconcepts.blogspot.com -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 8:52 AMNiten,
Too cool, fellow on teh Path!
What you said is most esteemable. Well put even! A Warriors mentality needn't lay in teh foerocity of thier battle. In fact, *I* woudl say it shoudl Not. (but then, who am I?) . I think that the most a woman (or a man) can learn from Martial arts is those very qualities you list, as well as Integrity and Respect. I know that I am still personally working on Self respect.
I shoudl think that overcoming 'Adversity and Indomidable Spirit' should top teh list of things that a dojang or dojo can instill in woman- however I think teh challenge lay in looking at how to do so with Life aspects as well as martial ones.I think our biggest challenges as humans are not usually in teh places we train, but within our own personal spaces- Home, Family, Work and Relationships(personal and outside).
I would say that teh martial and personal aspects are so intertwined that they cannot be seperated, yet Ive met more than one person who seemed not to assimilate one into teh other. To allow developement in martial arts discipline to help them as whole humans.
::bows to Niten:: thank you for yoru wisdom - you give me much to ponder!,
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Mon, February 27, 2006 - 11:02 PMNinnian,
Please check out my site for more insight, and tell your freinds! www.warriorconcepts@blogspot.com. And check out what Raven and I have been discussing in "Morality and the Evolution of the Martial Arts." And "Warrior Ethics and The Martial Arts."
I often run into challenges in life that start to fluster me. I always find that if I visualize my problems as a Physical opponent , I always find my opening to score a KO. Just a hint. -
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Wed, March 1, 2006 - 6:34 AM.. Thanks Niten, Ill check out teh 'morality' topic, but I squeeze time for Tribe in as it is. I Definetly dont have tiem to read Blogs, as interesting as so many of them seem! :D
Nin
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Wed, March 1, 2006 - 11:40 AMMontium, I got involved on the sidelines because my son was interested in martial arts. I stayed on the sidelines (watching) for several years. For me, I did not join because I was never athletic and also was very intimidated by being in the middle of the floor and having everyone watch me.
What finally pushed me over into martial arts was a health crisis combined with the death of my mother at 57. However, this is what got me involved in martial but it is not what kept me in martial arts.
What kept me in martial arts was the additional confidence it gave me and I found it to be an incredible stress reliever that it emotionally helped balance me out. I became an assistant instructor and especially enjoyed working with other woman and the new people. It was very rewarding to see the level of confidence and skill improve so quickly in new students.
While I am now pursuing my Bachelors and don't have time working full time and going to school full time, I do intend to return to martial arts as soon as possible.
One final thought, the way the Master got me and several other ladies involved was to conduct a yoga/stretching class. This was a lot less intimidating than someone throwing a punch at us or us having to punch someone else. Being punched at or punching did not come naturally to me and was a difficult aspect to overcome. The Master slowly introduced kicking and punching a shield and moved us up from there.
Now I see martial arts like a ballet. It's balanced, smooth and can be very graceful. There is a wonderful mind/spirit/body connectivity that I have never experienced before. There is a heightened awareness of your entire body and of the people around you.
I also wish more women were involved in martial arts because the apparent benefits are there but there are so many more that are hard to describe as I've tried to do above. Pil Sung! -
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Re: Women in the Martial Arts
Sat, September 16, 2006 - 11:40 PMI have recently started attending a dojo in my local area. The sensai is very good and has made me feel very welcome, as have the other students. I started attending for several reasons. One being that some of my friends are very experienced at martial arts and I have been interested to read what they have to say in their blogs and emails. Another reason is that I think it helps with training for dance. Not just for fitness but for the discipline to stay focused and alert. However, I think the main reason for me is more a spiritual reason. Martial arts help to balance the emotional expression of dance, helps to make the choreography more intentional and for me, more sensual. It’s difficult to explain, but it’s kind of like the same sense that happens in the practice of yoga, classical ballet, that kind of thing. At the moment I am not very well co-ordinated in class but the students there are willing to help if I ask and the sensai keeps a watchful eye on what I am doing. I think for women too, the self-defence aspect is worthy of consideration. It takes away that helpless, vulnerable feeling that can sometime happen. Anyway, they are just my thoughts and I will take time to read the rest of this thread in more details. Thanks.
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Tue, February 13, 2007 - 6:58 PMI started in martial arts at 12 (taekwondo first, then later shotokan karate, judo, chidokwan karate, and okinawan kobudo (weapons)). Honestly, I started because my younger brother was starting, and I couldn't let him be better at anything than I was.
He found that it wasn't his thing (bad competition among the guys at that school) and quit after about a year. I've now studied for 13 years (3 black belts, instructor for 2 years in a college club, etc.). Why? I think to a certain extent it's because it's a very individual sport. Some people enjoy team sports, some prefer individual sports. I like individual sports more, where I can compete against myself. But you also have the fun of training with a group, competing with each other (in a good way), and learning from each other.
I'm very small, 5', 98 lbs, and shy, and martial arts training really increased my confidence. One part is because you know you can handle yourself, and while nothing is guaranteed, I really have a lot more going for me in a self-defense situation than a random attacker would ever guess. But another part is because I've accomplished something difficult - I've earned three black belts, I've competed (successfully!) against guys in the dojo, and just in general persevered through difficult training times. So confidence would be one thing that kept me going back - once you've achieved so much, it feels good to walk into a dojo and feel like you belong.
SUPER important - the attitude of the instructor AND the students. If the instructor seems superior or like he/she doesn't care about his students, it's all over. The students have to care about each other, constructive criticism is ok but making fun of people or trying to establish a pecking order is unacceptable. The instructor has a big role in helping shape the attitude of the school as a whole. An instructor that is concerned, generous with his time and expertise, enough of a disciplinarian to maintain order and respect, and actually knows his/her stuff and can teach it - they're like gold. And the whole school will follow. Women will not feel out of place because the students will care about them just as other students.
Unhealthy competition among students is bad. My brother quit partly because the competition among the male students his age and slightly older was too intense - it had gone past friendly, at least in his mind. As a girl, I was largely exempt from that, and was able to experience the more supportive aspects of the school. I would expect a good school to be that supportive for everyone, male and female. As an instructor, I encouraged my students to help teach each other as much as possible, even past the point at which it would have been acceptable to instruct each other in a traditional school. I taught at a college campus (I was a student too!), so everyone was of about the same age, and it worked really well. I wouldn't necessarily advocate that method in a school with people of all different ages and stations in life, but the general effect was very positive - rather than seeing each other as competitors, they could see each other as fellow practioners, fellow students.
Let me know if you want more info! I like to talk about it, but I'm not that active on Tribe yet.